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Reply #45 on:
February 26, 2012, 03:31:25 pm »
- Håkon Galen (Håkon the Uncontrollbar) Folkvidsson 1177-1214, King Sverre Sigudsson´s nephew and Stallare, his mother was Sverres sister Cecilia. Håkon Galen was army chief for the Birkebeiner party 1204 who supported king Sverre.
Håkon Håkonsson b. 1204 who became king in 1217 was raiesd by Håkon Galen who adored the young prince.
- Peter Støyper from Faroe Islands, king Sverre Sigurdsson´s Stallare in 1199, son of Sverres halfsister Astrid Unasdatter.
Peter Støyper married Ingeborg Magnusdatter, daughter to king Magnus Erlingsson who fall June 15. 1184 in the battle of Fimreite against king Sverre
Ca 1210 Peter and his wife probably went on "Jorsalferd", visited "Jorsal" Jerusalem. Both probably died on the journey.
- Dagfinn Lagmann (Dagfinn the Judge) from southern Norway, king Håkon 4. Håkonsson´s Stallare when he became king in 1217 and Judge in Gulating
- Arntor, king Håkon 4. Håkonsson´s Stallare and the kings messenger together with Gudleik on Ask (the kings relative) to "Junker" Knut Håkonsson, Håkon Galens son.
"Junker" Knut Håkonsson became king for an uprising group "Ribbungene" for a short period in 1226, but came to a settlement with king Håkon Håkonsson 1227 who promoted him to Earl of Norway,
Document from June 1227 where king Håkon Håkonsson promised Junker Knut Håkonsson amnesty and honor if he surrendered
Ca 1240 Knud was the kings militay commander in Eastern Norway.
Sept. 1261 king Håkon Håkonsson´s son Magnus Lagabøte (Lawmaker) Håkonsson was crowned and married in "Håkonshallen" (became king in 1263)
It was Junker Knut who wore the crown. He was old and sick and was helped by two of king Håkon´s Stallare (Marshals). Knud died later in the fall and king Håkon gave a funeral that suited his rank.
- Gudleik on Ask (Askøy in Hordaland), Håkon 4. Håkonsson´s Stallare after 1226, his relative and messenger 1227 to Fredrik 2. on Sicily, Holy Roman Emperor.
Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 04:07:07 am by Kåre
Reply #46 on:
March 09, 2012, 05:42:23 am »
The two Stallare (Marshals) who helped the old, sick Junker Knut during the coronation ceremony of prince Magnus in Håkons Hall 1261 was Aslak Guss and Vigleik (Uigleik) Audunsson.
Vigleiks father was Audun prest (Audun priest) and Vigleik Stallare is often mentioned as Vigleik Prestsønn or Vigleik Profastsson, son of the "prest" or "profast" (Priestsson).
Aslak Guss was Vigleik´s deputy Stallare.
Both particpated 1263 when king Håkon Håkonsson gathered ca 1/3 of Leidangen in Bergen to send a punitive expedition against the Scottish king Alexander who ravaged in his areas on the British Isles.
Aslak Guss was on board the kings bigship Kristsuden build in Bergen ca 1260, a ca 46-49 meter long "Drake" Dragon ship on 37 room (74 oars)
On July 5. 1263 the fleet left Bergen and on July 29 he gathered the whole fleet on the island Ragnvaldsøy (Ronaldsay) on the Orkney where he first wanted to negotiate with king Alexander.
The fleet continued to "Suderøyene" Hebrides
and king Håkon send his dealer, guardsman and knight Colbein, who was friendly recieved by king Alexander several times without reaching agreement.
King Håkon continued with a part of the fleet which in total consisted of ab. 125 ships strenghtened by ships from Norwegian earls who ruled on the Scottish islands was on ca 12000-14000 men sailed against Largs in bad weather where they met the Scots on Oct. 2.
Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 07:21:23 pm by Kåre
Reply #47 on:
March 12, 2012, 01:27:02 pm »
A small summary.
At Largs an army units of 800 med led by the experienced Lenderman Ogmund Krøkedans (Crouchdans) "Ogmund Dantz" where landed before the storm increased and met with a part of the force 500 Scottish knights on horsebak and 300 foot soldiers on a small hill.
Other Norwegian chiefs on Largs were Anders Plytt, Erling Alvsson and Erlend Raud, all survived.
Many were killed on both sides, among them were two from the kings Hird (Guard), Torgils Gloppa and Håkon from Stein, but most Scotsmen fell and they had to withdraw, but returned with 8000 men, and now the Norwegians had to withdraw to the beach.
The ancher of a Kogge (a big cargo ship) was cut of and ran towards the beach to create a form of protection against the scottish arrows during the withdraw.
Only a few boats overloaded with soldiers was launched from the beach, the rest of the ships including the big cargo ship were left there.
King Håkon´s bigship Kristsuden lost three anchors in the storm, and the whole fleet searced up to a safer haven before they continued to the Orkneys to spend the winter.
King Håkon send some ships back to Largs to collect his dead men and set the damaged Norwegian ships still lying on the beach on fire.
The Battle of Largs was more an engagement than a battle
King Håkon got ill and died in the Bishop´s Palace in Kirkwall Dec. 15. 1263 and young Magnus Håkonsson (Lagabøte- law maker) that was back in Norway was on Dec. 16. king of Norway.
King Håkon was buried in St. Magnus cathedral
but on March 5. the kings body was taken out of the grave and brought to Norway and Bergen on his ship Kristsuden, on board was his leading chiefs and guardsmen, and the king was buried in his fathers grave in Kristkirken
- Stallare Aslak Guss probably returned on Kristsuden, the Saga do not tell on which ship Vigleik Stallare was on.
Last Edit: April 11, 2013, 06:39:19 pm by Kåre
Reply #48 on:
March 13, 2012, 06:38:15 am »
Before the king died;
2 days after Largs on Oct. 4. king Håkon recieved a notification from Irish messengers that Irland would feed his army during the winter if he would help them to get free from the English violence. King Håkon thought it was a good offer, but there was murmuring among his men who did´nt want to sail to Ireland in the bad weather and after negotiations with his chiefs he refused the offer and sailed with the fleet to "Suderøyene" the Hebrides.
On the Hebrides some of the Norwegians visited St. Molaise´s caves on the Holy Island where Viglek Stallare/Vigleik Prestsson carved an Runic incription:
UIGLÆIKRSTALLARERÆIST "Vigleik Stallare reist" Vigleik Stallare carved.
It´s the 2. incription on top with add. info at the lower part of the page
1264 Vigleik became the young king Magnus Håkonsson Lagabøte´s Stallare until 1273 when he was appointed to Lenderman or Baron.
In Tønsberg town 1277 he among other prominent men is mentioned as a witness under oath in a document from August 9. reg. a dispute between king Magnus and the Archbishop Jon in Nidaros (Trondheim) reg. the church´s privileges is adressed Herr (Mr) Vigleik Audunsson.
Among the witnesses we also find the two baron´s Erling (Alvsson) d. 1283 and Anders Plytt who both participated in the battle of Largs 1263
Vigleik Stallare died 1280.
Stallare Aslak Guss witnessed in a dispute in Bergen town August 1. 1273 between King Magnus and Archbishop Jon reg the church´s privileges, 2. line from bottom
Aslak Guss died after 1280.
Last Edit: March 21, 2013, 03:34:24 pm by Kåre
Reply #49 on:
April 05, 2012, 06:17:55 am »
- Olav Olavsson Stein, king Magnus Lagabøtes (Lawmender) Stallare 1264. Olav married Magnild Halkjellsdatter, daughter to Baron Halkjell Ogmunsson Krøkedans (Crouchdans) son of lenderman Ogmund Krøkedans mentioned in the battle of Largs above.
Olav Olavsson Stein died before 1288.
- Audun Hugleiksson, king Magnus Håkonsson Lagabøtes Stallare and law-expert in 1272, promoted to Baron.
Executed in Bergen 1302 by king Magsus Lagabøte´s son Håkon Magnusson.
- Gudleik Viljalmsson from Ask on the island Askøy, king Eirik Magnusson (1268-1299) and Count Håkon Magnusson´s (1270-1319) Stallare 1283
- Nikulas, king Magnus VII Eirikssons Stallare in 1333.
Reg. Audun Hugleiksson.
Paris Oct. 22. 1295 (The original written on parchment with the kings seal is kept in the French Arcives in Paris)
A summary of a treaty Audun Hugleiksson, master of Hegranes fortress, set up between King Eirik Magnusson of Norway and king Filip IV of France where the king of Norway should give advice, help and support with an armed fleet on 200 Galeas and 100 bigships with 50,000 good selected soldiers in the French war against king Edvard of England and it´s allies, espesially king Adolf of Germany for an annual payment on 30,000 Pund Sterling.
Half of the payment is due in Mai and the rest within two months.
If the fleet was used in more than 4 months it will be paid a proportionate addition to the payment.
Signed by Hugleik Audunsson and the Bishops of Paris and Dol. (Dol. in Bretagne, France?) witnessed by 7 named French clergymen and secular gentlemen.
The doc. is written and signed by the apostolic notary Evenus Phily.
March 29. 1296 was the agreement written in Latin approved by king Eirik Magnusson in Bergen, Norway.
Last Edit: April 21, 2012, 10:09:43 am by Kåre
Reply #50 on:
May 11, 2012, 10:46:52 am »
He was second in command aboard the ship. His place in a battle was on the Stern "Stavn" of the ship.
- Aslak Holmskalle, Stavnbu for the Danish chief Bui Digre in the battle of Hjørungavåg ca 986
Aslak Holmskalle was killed by Vigfus that struck an anvil in his head.
- Håvard Hoggande, Bui Digre´s Stavnbu on Hjørungavåg, shot Gissur, Norwegian lenderman from Valdres in Oppland County.
- Audun Raude, Erling Skakke´s Stavnbu on his pilgrimage 1151-55, where in the Meditiarian they attaced a big North-African ship called Dromund. Audun is mentiond as the first man to enter the Dromund.
See English version chapter 17.
- Berse Tormodsson, Sigurd Slembes Stavnbu, fall Nov. 12. 1139 with Magnus 4. Sigurdsson at Svinesund
Magnus 4. Sigurdsson
- Ulvhedin Saksolvsson from Iceland, Sigurd Slembes Stavnbu, fall in a skirmish at Kongehelle 1137
- Åskjell, the Danish king Eirik Eimunes Stavnbu, killed by an arrow through the neck shot by Tjostolv Ålesson at "Hovedøya in Oslofjord 1137. Tjostov Ålesson carried the three year young king Inge I. in a sack in the 1137 battle where Inge broke the back.
Last Edit: May 21, 2013, 05:48:29 pm by Kåre
Reply #51 on:
June 15, 2012, 04:31:07 am »
Was it king Olav Haraldssons (St. Olavs) dreaded bigship Visund (Bison) that was found during excavations in Roskilde harbour in Denmark ca 17 years ago.
The ship on 37 meter was then dated build ca 1015-25.
Later dating shows that the ship was build 1025 of oak from Vestfold in Norway.
King Olavs other bigship Karlshovd (Mans head) b. ca 1015 can therefore be excluded.
The only ship at that size in Norway at that time was king Olavs bigship Visund, that times F-16.
Visund had a golden Bisonhead in the stern and a golden tail in the stem.
Info from the excavation in Norwegian
Reply #52 on:
November 21, 2012, 10:50:19 am »
First time Olav (Olaf) Trygvasson is mentioned in a document is written on Aglo Saxon Latin in London 991 kept in Corpus Christi College in Cambridge, translated in London 1955.
991 was 4 years before Olav became king of Norway.
After the battle of Maldon in Essex mid August 991 the viking fleet on ca 3000-4000 men set course against London for negotiations with the English king Ethelred.
Battle of Maldon
The battlefield was onshore (on top). Olav`s men had to cross the causeway from Northy Island (left) during low tide
Statue og Brythnoth, earl of Essex, hero and loser in the battle
Dealers for the viking fleet in London was Anlaf (Olav Trygvasson) Justin (Olavs mother´s brother Jostein Eiriksson, son of the wealthy Eirik Bjodaskalle from Oprekstad, probably Obrestad on Jæren in South Norway ) and Gudmund, Stegita´s son (an Irish viking king)
Stegita can be an old pronunciation for "Skjægge" Beard.
Dealers together with king Æthelred was his "Witan" (King´s counsil) consisting of;
Arch bishop Sigeric of Cantebury, Ealdorman (the kings representative) Aethelward from the western provinces and Ealdorman Aelfric from Hampshire.
"Agreement" was reached and piecetreaty set up containing that the vikings would protect England against other enemy fleets for 20 000 pounds in gold and silver and free supplies.
Devastation and murder done before the piece treaty shall not be avenged, which king Ethelred was forced to accept
The document; the upper part is translated to Norwegian, the lower part starting with "Brevtekst" (fra den trykte utgaven) is in Anglo Saxon and Latin
Last Edit: May 21, 2013, 05:50:13 pm by Kåre
Reply #53 on:
November 27, 2012, 04:49:36 am »
Jostein Eiriksson (Bjodaskalle) mentioned in London 991 above, and his brother Torkild Dyrdild were shipmasters on king Olav (Olaf) Trygvasson´s bigship Tranen "Crane" in the battle of Svolder year 1000, see page 2.
A brother Sigurd Eiriksson served king Valdemar in Holmgard (Novgorod), Russia, collectiong tribute to the king in Estonia (Estland) where he found his sisters son Olav Trygvasson, see chapter 12 and 13
Last Edit: November 27, 2012, 10:10:37 am by Kåre
Reply #54 on:
November 29, 2012, 10:37:01 am »
The vikings most important weapon was his sword, but in close combat often the ax was preferrded because she was easier to handle.
Often his round shield was "painted" across the lenght of the wood to confuse the enemy when he tried to splinter it. Not to forget the longship´s usually with 80-120 men, easy to handle and could roes quickly into shallow water both on beaches and up the rivers.
A description of the Viking weapons and their effectiveness agains Anglo Saxon weapons
Last Edit: November 29, 2012, 07:00:50 pm by Kåre
Reply #55 on:
December 05, 2012, 04:47:09 am »
One that should not be forgotten from the Viking age is "jarl" earl Eirik Håkonsson born on "Hlade" Lade in Trondheim ca 960, hence to the name "Ladejarl" Earl of Lade.
He is known from the battle of Svolder year 1000 (see page 2) where he uses his bigship Jarnbarden as battering ram when king Olav´s bigship Ormen Lange (Long Serpant) was conquered.
After Svolder Eirik served the Danish king Knut Sveinsson (Knut the great) who gave him lots of land and appointed Eirik to earl of England.
Earl Eirik Håkonsson
Knut Sveinsson (Knut the great)
Earl Eirik is mentioned in a doc. from 1019 kept in British Muesum, London, where Knut, king of Britannien (England) give a farm on 16 bo to his servant Agemund (Agmund) in Cheselburne (Dorset, England)
Witnesses; Queen Ælfgifa (Alfiva, king Knut´s English mistress) and "Yric dux" Erik jarl (Earl Eirik Håkonsson) and "Hacun dux" Håkon jarl (earl Eirik´s son Håkon Eiriksson 995-1029)
The doc. written on Latin and Anglo Saxon?, 4 lines on top translated to Norwegian
Earls of Lade
Trondheim the history and the earls of Lade
Last Edit: May 21, 2013, 05:55:25 pm by Kåre
Reply #56 on:
December 11, 2012, 06:27:13 pm »
Vinland det Gode - Vinland the Good.
The Sagas tells about 6 journeys to N. America.
1) Bjarni Herjolfsson who discovered America ca 998
2) Leif Eriksson served in king Olav Trygvassons guard in Trondheim where he was christened and was send back to Greenland with a priest to Christian the Greenlanders when he heard about the new land in west and started an expedition with one ship and 30 men ca 999.
He called the new land where he built his houses for the coming winter for Vinland (Grasland) "Vinland det Gode" Vinland the Good.
The winter was mild with no snow and they fished Salomon in the river, but returned to Greenland next year where Leif as oldest son when his father died same year, takes over his farm "Brattalid".
3) Leif offered his younger halfbrother Thorvald Erikssson the ship and 30 men for the next expedition.
They reached Vinland and stayed there for the winter but sailed further south next spring, and because of the sun they thought perhaps they had come to Africa. The land turned west and then north again. The water was shallow with sand banks. Then the land turned west, no sign of humans, and they decided to return back the same way and sail north again (Florida?)
They sailed into a beutiful fjord and went ashore on the headland. Thorvald found the place perfect for building houses. Crossing the headland they came across three "hud keiper" skin-boats (canoes) with 9 men sleeping under.
The meeting ended in a tragedy, 8 "Skrælinger" Natives were killed, one manged to escape with his boat.
They returned to the ship and discovered human made mounds in the inner of the fjord.
Was it Depton mounds in S. Carolina? A map from 1740 called this land for Indian land.
The Norsemen were attacked by a large amount of Indians in skin-boats; Thorvald as the only of the Norsemen was deadly wounded by an arrow that came between his shield and the gunwale and hit under his arm. The Indians suddely witdrew and disappeared. Thorvald asked if his men were unharmed, and died shortly after.
Thorvald told them he wanted to be buried on the headland where he had wanted to build his houses "mark my grave with a cross" he said. As christian men they called the place "Korsnes" Crossness.
Where was the Sagas Crossness?
Human made mounds from the year 1000 and older has not been found north of Little Island in Bonner Bay, N.Carolina.
False or true? Thorvald´s Rock found on Boar´s Head, Hampton, N. Hampshire.
The norse runic incriptions on the stone are translated to "BUI REIS STEIN" Bui inscribes stone 1043.
Bui was a norse name.
Thorvalds men returned home.
To be continued
Last Edit: May 21, 2013, 05:52:48 pm by Kåre
Reply #57 on:
December 12, 2012, 07:34:41 am »
4) Thorstein Eriksson, Leif´s brother, was head of the next expedition with Leif´s ship to retrieve Thorvald´s body home. They reached America but the expedition failed in finding his grave because of bad weather and fog.
Thorstein died of an epidemic same autumn the ship arrived Brattalid.
5) Thorfinn Karlsevne from Reynistad in Skagafjord, Island, married to Thorstein Eiriksson´s widow Gudrun Thorbjarnardottir was chief for the next expedition to America with 160 men, 5 women and 3 ships.
The first wintercamp was hard with cold weather and little food, Vinland was not found until the 2. year of the expedition. Thorald Veidemann (Thorald the hunter) disagreed with Thorfinn in where Vinland was and wanted to head north to "Kjøleneset" and from that point heading west to search for Vinland along the shores. No one ever saw Thorald and the 9 men going with him again.
Thorfinn Karlsevne headed towards south, is was a long journey, until he found Vinland. (What is a long journey when the expedition lasted in 4 years?)
A son snorri was born there ca 1006. They were attaced by Indians and decided to return home because they were to few even few of the norsemen fall. These men were farmers, not trained as soldiers.
They learned a new method of fishing by digging deep holes in the sand by low tide. When the water withdraw the fish, espsiallly the Halibut, were trapped.
"Kjøleneset" was a nes/headland on an island they passed earlier where parts of a shipwreck "Kjøl" the keel (Keelneset) was found at the American coast.
6) Freydis Eriksdatter, Leifs sister, she was with Thorfinn Karsevne on his journey returned with 2 ships was the last mentioned expedition to Vinland in the Saga.
Brattalid, Eirik (Thorvaldsson) Raudes and later Leif Eirikssons estate. Eiriks wife Tjodhild Jørundsdatter was christened but Eirk Raude who was born in Southern Norway ca 950 remained pagan all his life. Tjodhild build a church (Tjodhild´s church) at Brattalid
The Vinland voyages mentioned in the Greenlanders Saga;
Thorvald and Thorstein Eiriksson
Main sources (not online) Greenlanders Saga, Leif Eiriksson Saga and Eirik Raude´s (Eirik the Red´s ) Saga
Last Edit: May 01, 2013, 02:56:24 pm by Kåre
Reply #58 on:
December 13, 2012, 05:43:53 am »
Where was Vinland? Where was Leif´s wintercamp?
It´s believed that Leif Ericsson´s Vinland probably was at L´Anse Aux Meadows on New Foundland where Helge Ingstad and his wife, archaeologist Anne Stine with others during excvations discovered the remains of a norse settlement with longhouse, 7 small houses, forge, iron slag, charcoal, a norse bronze needle with a ring of bronze for fastening clothes and an anvil (a large stone) in the 1960s
C-14 datings tells ca 1000 AC
The vinland voyagers short realistic observation of the sky goes like this;
The day was more equal than home on Greenland (In Norwegian translated from Norse) "solen sto i eyktarstad og dagmålastad på Skamdagen" and the winter was mild with no snow. Livestock could have been out all winter"
Eyktarstad is Norse for sunset and Dagmålastad is Norse for sunrise, Skamdagen is Norse for the shortest day of the year, Dec. 23.
The sun´s position was not yet in "Eyktarstad" (Place at sunset) on Dec. 23. but "sto i Eyktarstad" almost sunset, which means that Leif´s winter camp were slightly south of "Eyktarstad"
Main source; Kåre Prytz "Lykkelige Vinland" Happy Vinland, 291 pages, published 1975.
Searchable in small sections in Norwegian
to be contiuned with more info from Kåre Prytz Happy Vinland.
Last Edit: December 18, 2012, 04:36:40 am by Kåre
Reply #59 on:
December 14, 2012, 05:59:36 am »
Contiued, source; Lykkelige Vinland" Happy Vinland.
The vikings when they navigated shared the sky between south and west in three equal parts. Eyktarstad (Sunset) was 60 degrees west from south.
This correspond with data from Edda Saga reg the start of the wintertime, Oct. 18.
The Norwegian navigater and editor M. M. Mjelde and the English scientist Gathorne-Hardy made on the basis of this data a calculation that concluded that the sun in "Eyktarstad" on Dec. 23. was at 36 degrees and 54 minutes which is slightly south of Cheaspeak Bay in Virginia.
This calculation has later been processed by Prof. Almar Næss in his book "Hvor lå Vinland" Where was Vinland.
"When we moored the ship, we brought it up a small stream at high tide into a small lake/pond where a river flowed into"
"A shot in the dark from a keen amateur"
Looking into the map of Virginia Beach
Slightly south of Cheaspeak Bay is Virginia Beach. The area south on Virginia Beach at Rudee Inlet suits the discription. "The winter was mild with no snow, a livestock could have been outdoor the whole winter"
"The day was more equal than home on Greenland"
Here the shortest day is 9h 27 min. while at Brattalid on Greenland it´s 5 h 29 min.
They fished, hunted, build houses and found wild grapes.
Was Leif´s wintercamp "Leifsbuda" Leifs booths, the same as Leif´s Vinland?
Was Vinland a common name of the land from the Golf of Maine to the edge of Florida?
Sources: Kåre Prytz book and the Sagas
Last Edit: December 18, 2012, 06:13:12 am by Kåre
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